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Palm Beach County – NGVD 1929 converted to NAVD 1988

December 23, 2017 by Chris Ryder

With all the talk about Flood Insurance I decided to re-visit this old blog post.

I have an old survey of my property and it shows the finished floor (F.F. EL) of my house as say 8.1′ but this is based upon the NGVD 1929.  How do I convert that to the NAVD 1988 which the new flood maps use?

Why would I need this? I like to know the answer to a question before I ask it.  If my Lender or Insurer tells me I need an elevation certificate or I think I want one then I want to know if I should: A) fight them to apply the correct logic and classify the building and not my land, or 2) Have an elevation certificate done and ask my insurer to apply the post firm rates because I have enough of an elevation difference between the BFE and my finished floor to really get the rates down IF they insist on incorrectly classifying my building.  In order to make this decision I want to know the 1988 FF EL before I push one way or the other.  Also, it can be helpful to dtermine if a forcast storm surge will affect my property.

The Flood Insurance Rate Maps (FIRM) Maps were developed based upon the National Geodetic Vertical Datum of 1929 or NGVD 29. However there is a more current version of this which is the North American Vertical Datum of 1988 (NAVD 88) and the new (as of October 2017) flood zone maps use this new datum. The datum is defined as:

Datum: A reference surface used to ensure that all elevation records are properly related. The National Flood Insurance Program previously used the National Geodetic Vertical Datum (NGVD) of 1929, but all recent FIRMs have used the North American Vertical Datum (NAVD) of 1988. Both datum planes express elevations in relation to sea level. 

So, when we see on the new flood zone maps ZONE AE (EL 6) this means that the Base Flood Elevation (BFE) has been determines and it is 6′ above the NAVD 1988.

To Convert these elevations to the NAVD 88 Datum we use this page…

https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/VERTCON/vert_con.prl

So, let’s look at 300 Xanadu Place. Looking this up on the County GIS site or where ever we get the Lat/Lon: 26.9247024, 080.0694433 and we see the difference is -1.59′.  (Note that  I recently looked at a property on the St Lucie River in Palm City and the conversion there was -1.45′)  These adjustments vary by location but this is very close to the published Palm Beach County wide ‘ball park’ number of -1.56′.  So in this example location if say the elevation shown on an old survey was 8.1 according to the 1929 datum then the 1988 datum elevation is 8.1′-1.59′ = 6.51′.

And, the flood zones are defined as:

Special Flood Hazard Area (SFHA). An area having special flood, mudflow or flood-related erosion hazards and shown on a Flood Hazard Boundary Map (FHBM) or a Flood Insurance Rate Map (FIRM) Zone A, AO, A1-A30, AE, A99, AH, AR, AR/A, AR/AE, AR/AH, AR/AO, AR/A1-A30, V1-V30, VE or V. For the purpose of determining Community Rating System (CRS) premium discounts, all AR and A99 zones are treated as non-SFHAs.Shaded Zone X is a moderate risk areas within the 0.2-percent-annual-chance floodplain, areas of 1-percent-annual-chance flooding where average depths are less than 1 foot, areas of 1-percent-annual-chance flooding where the contributing drainage area is less than 1 square mile, and areas protected from the 1-percent-annual-chance flood by a levee. No BFEs or base flood depths are shown within these zones. (Zone X (shaded) is used on new and revised maps in place of what was Zone B.)

Filed Under: Blog, Frequently Asked Questions

Palm Beach County Flood Insurance for Real Estate – 2018

December 20, 2017 by Chris Ryder

OK, the new Flood Maps are out and effective and I had the ‘opportunity’ recently to learn much more than I ever thought I would want to about flood insurance.  First, for those of us in Palm Beach County, start here (https://maps.co.palm-beach.fl.us/cwgis/?app=floodzones) to determine what flood zone you MIGHT be in.  Flood insurance is based on your building, specifically the lowest floor elevation of the living space, NOT your land.  The problem is that most computer programs, like the one used by the County, can only ‘see’ where a flood zone contour crosses your property line.  If the building is within the aqua colored dotted area or the aqua colored line around this area crosses through your building then at first look your ARE in the Special Flood Hazard Areas (SFHAs) – Zones: A, AE, AH, AO.

If the contour passes close to your building or you think the map is wrong or your lender/insurer refuses to apply the logic outlined in the FEMA Flood Insurance Manual (FIM) on classifying the building (NOT THE LAND) you can apply to FEMA for a Letter of Map Change and ask for a Letter of Map Amendment.  FEMA will tell you what the official determination is.  The process is easy and it’s free if your house was built pre FIRM.

CLICK HERE for my post on how to determine if your house is pre or post FIRM

IF you are in a SFHA, or the line goes through your building or touches it or basically IF YOU ARE GETTING ANYTHING OTHER THAN A ‘PREFERRED RATE’ FLOOD POLICY then you should hire a Land Surveyor to prepare an Elevation Certificate and it all has to do with something called Freeboard.  Freeboard is the distance between the Base Flood Elevation and your finished floor elevation.  In pre FIRM construction all that matters to get the best rates is for the Lowest Adjacent Grade to the building to be higher than the Base Flood Elevation or BFE.  In my area the BFE is shown on the maps as say ‘BFE 6′, which is to say that the Base Flood Elevation has been determined to be 6’ above the 1988 datum or baseline.  I am in Zone X but the zone AE (BFE 6) goes in front of my house.  Let’s look at this and the difference in insurance costs for a Zone X and a Zone AE.  Remember Zone AE is in the SFHA.

FOR POST-FIRM CONSTRUCTION

If you have an elevation certificate (weather your house was pre or post FIRM construction) then you should be able to use the ‘Post FIRM’ Zone AE insurance rates found in the FIM which account for freeboard and are significantly lower.  For comparison.  A pre FIRM (pre 1974) building in Zone B,C,X,AR and A99 pays $344 for a preferred risk policy as a flat rate for 250k of building coverage.  A pre FIRM building in Zone AE, where the AE zone contour goes through your house, is $2,304.  BUT, if you have an elevation certificate and the finished floor inside your house is just 1′ above the 6′ elevation (BFE) then you pay $769 for 250k of coverage.  If your interior floor is 2′ above the 6′ Base Flood Elevation defining this AE Zone then you pay $453 for 250k of building coverage.  I paid $250 for an elevation certificate from Legacy Surveying (Office@LegacyPSM.com) in Tequesta.

NOTE FOR PRE-FIRM CONSTRUCTIONhttps://MAIL TO: office@legacypsm.com

If you in a pre firm constructed house then you may use the method outlined above OR you may apply for a Letter of Map Amendment with FEMA.  You will need an Elevation Certificate  F-053_EC_May2017_RE_rev an Elevation Form MT-1 Form 2 – Elevation Information Form to do this.  If you are in a pre FIRM constructed house then basically you don’t need much freeboard to get the preferred risk policy rates.  All that is required is that the Lowest Adjacent Grade to your structure be higher than the Base Flood Elevation.  So in my neighborhood most houses are pre FIRM and the Base Flood Elevation is 6′ measured from the 1988 datum and all the houses are the standard slab on grade.  So if the Lowest Adjacent Grade to the house is greater than 6′ then you should apply for a Letter of Map Amendment from FEMA.  This sounds like a big deal but really it’s not.  Here’s a little trick I found.  In my rush for fame and glory I applied through the on line system at the FEMA web site.  They came back and said I needed an Elevation Certificate.  NO reasoning with the bureaucrats on this so I got one. BUT IF I HAD USED THERE PAPER FORM THERE IS PLACE ON IT WHERE A SURVEYOR CAN CERTIFY THE LOWEST ADJACENT GRADE IS ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.  That’s it. No more documentation should be required.

I APPLIED FOR A LETTER OF MAP REVISION AND I GOT ONE.  CLICK HERE TO READ ALL ABOUT IT.

An Elevation Certificate is well worth it.

Special Flood Hazard Area (SFHA). An area having special flood, mudflow or flood-related erosion hazards and shown on a Flood Hazard Boundary Map (FHBM) or a Flood Insurance Rate Map (FIRM) Zone A, AO, A1-A30, AE, A99, AH, AR, AR/A, AR/AE, AR/AH, AR/AO, AR/A1-A30, V1-V30, VE or V. For the purpose of determining Community Rating System (CRS) premium discounts, all AR and A99 zones are treated as non-SFHAs.

Shaded Zone X is a moderate risk areas within the 0.2-percent-annual-chance floodplain, areas of 1-percent-annual-chance flooding where average depths are less than 1 foot, areas of 1-percent-annual-chance flooding where the contributing drainage area is less than 1 square mile, and areas protected from the 1-percent-annual-chance flood by a levee. No BFEs or base flood depths are shown within these zones. (Zone X (shaded) is used on new and revised maps in place of Zone B.)

Why we live near the water…

Filed Under: Blog, Frequently Asked Questions Tagged With: FEMA, FIRM Maps, flood insurance, Florida, Jupiter, Jupiter Real Estate

How to check my flood zone in Palm Beach County Florida

December 20, 2017 by Chris Ryder

So Chris,  How do I find out what my flood zone my house is in, if it is?

In Palm Beach county this is now very easy thanks to the folks in the GIS department at the county.  Go to this web site…

https://maps.co.palm-beach.fl.us/cwgis/?app=floodzones

Just enter your property address and presto.  This tool reports the flood zone designation OF THE ZONE THAT TOUCHES YOUR PROPERTY AND THE “PENDING fLOOD ZONE”.

The Pending flood zone is based upon the maps proposed in Dec 2019.  The adoption of those was put off due to COVID and (thanks in no small aprt to myself) the country contested the accuaracy of tose maps.  And now in 2023 they are appealing the FEMA denial of the contention to basically a committee of scientists.  ANYWAY with risk rating 2.0 the FIRM maps are NO LONGER used to price your flood insurance BUT they are still used by the banks to determine if they will require you to carry flood insurance.  And they are used by the building department to determine how the proeprty can be built upon and/or rebuilt after a flood.

Be aware, just because a flood zone or a Special Flood Hazard Area touches your property, that does not necessarily mean your building is located within the flood zone.  The link above STATES the flood zone of the lot is say an AE if the contour goes through the lot, but it MUST touch the structure. Please carefully note the structure’s location in relation to the SFHA boundaries shown in the viewer to determine whether or not your structure is located within a SFHA.  If it’s in question then the building department will requir and elevation certificate from a surveyor.

If you reside in the unincorporated area and are uncertain please call the Palm Beach County Flood Information Hotline at 561-233-5374. If you reside in a municipality you should contact your local floodplain administrator.

Or, you can also use the FEMA Map Page.

Filed Under: Blog, Frequently Asked Questions

2017 Tax Bill and the effects for Real Estate

December 20, 2017 by Chris Ryder

The National Association of Realtors (NAR) opposed many measures of the tax bill soon to be signed into law.  Most significantly the diminished value of the mortgage deduction and the cap on how much state and local taxes can be deducted there were some SIGNIFICANT items which were left in place:

• Capital gains exclusion. In a huge win for current and prospective homeowners, current law is left in place on the capital gains exclusion of $250,000 for an individual and $500,000 for married couples on the sale of a home. Both the House and the Senate had sought to make it much harder to qualify for the exclusion.  You may still sell a property which was your primary residence for 2 of the last 5 years and not owe capital gains taxes on up to 250k for individuals and 500k for married households.

• Mortgage interest deduction. The maximum mortgage amount for households deducting their mortgage interest has been decreased to $750,000 from the current $1 million limit. The House bill sought a reduction to $500,000.

• State and local tax deductions. Both property taxes and state and local income taxes remain deductible, although with a combined limit of $10,000. Both the House and Senate bills sought to eliminate the state and local income tax deduction altogether.  So in Florida where we fund public operations though the real estate taxes and thus have high real estate taxes (BUT NO STATE INCOME TAX) some people will exceed the 10k limit.

• Pass-through entities. The bill significantly reduces the effective rate of tax on business income earned by independent contractors and income received from pass-through entities. This change will lower the taxes of many real estate professionals.

Filed Under: Blog

740 Osprey Way, North Palm Beach

December 19, 2017 by Nicole Ryder

I got to preview 740 Osprey Way yesterday for a client. This single story, single family home has a great location centrally in the Village of North Palm Beach. The home has CBS, concrete block construction and has been fully renovated from the new metal roof and impact windows to new flooring with a beachy driftwood look and fully renovated bathrooms and kitchen and a newer AC unit. You enter the home into a large, bright open living room area with the dining room beyond it opening up to the spacious back yard and a large kitchen to the right. The kitchen has new white cabinets, quartz countertops, stainless appliances and a large island with a wooden block top. The home has 4 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms and a 2 car garage. The home has a split floor plan and spacious closets with 3 out of the 4 bedrooms having large walk-in closet. This home feels brand new and is move-in ready. Call our office today to set up an appointment to view.

 

 

Filed Under: Blog, Home Reviews Tagged With: North Palm Beach, Real Estate

106 Princewood Ln in the Sanctuary in Palm Beach Gardens Florida

December 13, 2017 by Chris Ryder

I just listed this picture perfect single story Cypress model at 106 Princewood Ln in the Sanctuary in Palm Beach Gardens Florida.

04/16/2018 – We just reduced the price on this house to 469,000.

Much sought after single story Cypress floor plan in The Sanctuary, 3 beds, 2 baths, 2 car garage, large screened patio with private back yard that backs up to nature preserve. This home is loved and has multiple upgrades, including a designer level remodeled guest bathroom, new tile, new LG clothes washer & dryer, new stainless appliances and smart fridge, LED lighting upgrade throughout, HD security cameras throughout, new sprinkler system controller, AC replaced in 2012/13, newer water heater, roof replaced in 2006, complete low voltage re-wire with HD security cameras. This home has been meticulously maintained. The Sanctuary is a small GATED community in central Palm Beach Gardens. The LOW HOA fee includes a FULL cable package (HBO etc.) with DVR’s, 80 MB/s internet AND ADT Alarm.

 

“No commercial vehicles, boats, mobile homes, campers, trailers shall be permitted on the property over night UNLESS stored in an enclosed garage.”  So trucks and motorcycles are OK.  The above are OK so long as they are in the garage over night.

 

Filed Under: Blog, Home Reviews Tagged With: Palm Beach Gardens Real Estate

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